The True Hard Work of Love and Relationships, an interview between Krista Tippett (broadcaster and author) and Alain de Botton (writer and philosopher): https://onbeing.org/programs/alain-de-botton-the-true-hard-work-of-love-and-relationships-feb2017/

"I love Alain de Botton's realistic view on love. True love does not mean conflict-free love. We are all flawed humans. In marriage and relationships, we are human beings trying to relate to another human being in a loving relationship. Love is something we have to learn, it is a skill, not just a feeling. The more generous we can be toward our flawed humanity, the better chance we have of doing that in relationship with ourselves and others."  Caitlin Brandl